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8/7/2013

Just an update here today. So why haven't I posted the past few months? Primarily because I knew that CSM was coming very soon. And with it, I strongly believe our "re-release". As I noted on the B&C BT subforum, I believe originally GW was going to release a codex for the Black Templars. Hell, Phil Kelly pretty much said so to my friend's face. However, with the shiny new supplements they've been releasing in 6th Edition, I think they opted to go this route instead and save the production costs (speculation).

In light of this knowledge, I didn't find it particularly useful to update a website that was going to be obsolete in a few months. Is this doomsday? Absolutely not. Sounds like the popular rumor right now is that the BT have a special section in the CSM codex with their own rules. If so, that's fine. That is how we started out our lives in the 40k universe all those years ago.

I am forever a Black Templar. I will create new tactical articles and help forge the way for our community no matter what form our rules reside in. You will always have Implausible Nature to look to and discuss things with. I sincerely hope that you guys stick with the army going forward, even if their is "Space Marines" on the cover instead of "Black Templars". Just make sure you get the limited-edition BT cover artwork. ;)

25 Comments

Sean Snezek

8/8/2013 02:25:01 am

Well said! I was one of the "upset" Templar players, though after I let this new information sink into my zealous mind I'm now slowly becoming ok with it. I think what initially hurt the most was the thought of completely losing our solidarity; new players coming into the game just nonchalantly assuming we are just black Space Marines, or losing our own forums on message boards. I guess I just felt like things were being taken from me (or us I should say). But as you said, I will always be a Templar and I look forward to your breakdown of our new codex(?) and all our new toys!

Marshal Laeroth (Admin) link

8/17/2013 08:51:57 am

I am, by no stretch of the imagination, happy about the situation we're facing. I don't want to get stuck into another army's codex, as the chances of being "dumbed" down to account for the fact there is already a billion rules in the book is really high. In fact, it seems a little bit like that now. At least going off of 40k Radio's rumor-mongering. Assuming its all correct. *lots of salt* Nevertheless, it saves me a LOT of purchasing...even though I did want new BT-only minis to play with. I'm ultimately a competitive player, even though the fluff is what brought me to the army. We'll see what happens once the book is in my hands! :D

daredevil

8/8/2013 02:27:57 am

Heck yeah! Forward we templar brothers! Personally im hyped that wecan get releases and updates more regularly but i do hope we get to keep that nice rumor about getting heavy chainswords! (Not to mention our cusader squads with ccw bp initiates!)

Haversack

8/8/2013 04:30:55 am

I am completely OK with being rolled as long as a supplement is on the way. The only reason I say this is because I don't think vows, as they currently stand, are good enough to stand toe to toe with psyker crap.

I expect the first line of the BT chapter tactics to be "Cant use psykers", then have most of the current BT dex condensed into 1 or 2 pages.

I liked the (rumored)idea of each unit sarge being able to take a vow with different effects. A codex supplement with that kind of stuff plus further differentiation/units/whatever like the farsight supplement is A-OK with me.

8/17/2013 08:54:10 am

Well, I cannot guarantee that there will be a supplement. But...there are rumors that there is one. Plus the stuff that I got way back when support this too. A supplement will go a long way to ease the frustration a lot of players have with our current situation (especially fluff/rules-wise), but I don't foresee one in the next 6 months, at the very earliest.

Algesan

8/8/2013 05:31:04 am

I'm in wait and see mode, with some of the rumors I could see this as being well done....or falling into DA mode. Yes, DA are cute, I've run a couple of RW allies and RW small lists, but otherwise, they are just Green Marines with overpriced and underpowered uniqueness (the DW nerf was fairly rough). Seriously, I'd considered a DW/BT or BT/DW list prior to the DA codex release. I thought about a RW ally, but...way too much "ignore cover save" and "no jink save for player two on game turn one" causes issues there.

In the back of my mind, the DA are less unique than the BT since they are basically just Codex Marines with the DW/RW variations, which means if the BT are getting rolled into C:SM, is GW really going to make it more unique? <sigh> I'd say "follow the money", but I'm not sure which way GW is going to go with it. The newer codices I'm familiar with (Necron, DA, CSM a little) all nerfed models popular with older lists in favor of newer (or different) models.

Don't count of fluff, GW left the "fear factor" stuff in the Necron codex fluff, but wrote the entire mechanic out of the rules. (No Necrons are OP comments please, I'm just pointing something out.)

DasPanzerIstUber

8/9/2013 01:01:32 am

Rules may come and go but the Black Templars will crusade eternally!

8/17/2013 08:54:43 am

Damn straight! ;)

AdroitSquirrel link

8/9/2013 03:47:17 am

I was bothered initially, but then I thought about why I play Templar now. I like the Templar fluff. I think the biggest threat we feel in all this is the loss of the Templar identity. But do we really lose anything? Most Templar players have continued the crusade through multiple editions and they'll continue to do so. Do I like the move? Not really. But Templar players have had to learn to be adaptive through multiple editions. Our zeal won't be calmed by this. Now is the opportunity reach a new wave of Templar players and to further the crusade into future editions.

8/9/2013 10:16:57 am

Okay, I will admit to having several times declared "Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds", charging into a "hopeless" assault and then saying "Oh, right I'm using Abhor The Witch, oops."

OTOH, the potential, unless carefully handled, of losing that fluff & unique identity is real strong. Sure, it might get hammered into the C:SM subdex we are getting and then pulled back out with a supplement, but seriously, I'm uncomfortable with being even having my units in the same book with Librarians....Oh, wait a minute.

8/17/2013 09:14:44 am

I think we're similar in our opinions of the situation. I started and continued to play Black Templars due to the fluff, I am at my core, a competitive player. So while I love my BT's, I am okay with bending the background a little bit to fit what the rules allow me to do. A lot of it could be justified in the fluff, some of it was a little harder to justify. But it was all legal.

It'll be the same when our new rules come out. Does it suck? Sure. But it's just another test that we must pass in our Eternal Crusade and I, for one, won't park my battle barge simply because some codex chapter barges are cruising alongside me.

8/17/2013 10:03:32 am

Oh! And I found your new blog. I'll be watching with interest! Keep it up! :D

Philbrecht

8/9/2013 12:10:05 pm

Well, it's no use to start crying about it before we've even seen what they have in store for us. Expect the worst, hope for the best.
It looks like it is going to be a sturdy book with something like +170 pages. Lets hope we get more then 1 page of special rules, DftS style...
Positive side, we get our hands on all the old and new shiny trinckets in the SM codex. Wouldn't mind putting some tabbards and chains on those Centurions...
On a side note: I think Phil Kelly was bribed by the Mechanicum and now has a forge planet of his own. Those little tin men just can't stand our independant life style.

8/17/2013 09:18:50 am

Aye, the doom and gloom shouldn't happen until at least AFTER the codex is released. All we're going on right now, is the world of a few guys who run an internet 40k radio station. ...we are allowed to hold our breath a little longer. But if everything is right? We'll survive, I promise you all.

As for Phil Kelly...he is dangerously close to finding his way to the Pain Glove.

Nathan

8/10/2013 08:18:07 pm

No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! No Codex!

Jason

8/12/2013 12:11:36 pm

Even if we have to use vanilla rules I'll continue to be Black Templar. That was my first army because I like their fluff and their aesthetic.

Elsus

8/13/2013 02:06:21 am

I am excited and getting ready to use a 20 man squad(10ini+10neo) with 2 power weapons, a SB with hammer or power weapons and stick an IC or two with them.

And the squad will have grenades finally! And if the reports are true, tac marines are getting a minor pt reduction.

8/13/2013 04:42:09 am

This is what I read this far:
-Chaplains are HQ , W:2, A:2 and grant Zealot.
-Scouts drop 2 points, can take LS Storm as a dedicated transport.
-Tacticals drop 2 points.
-Crusader Squads may take 2 power weapons per squad. Costed and equipped as Tacticals as standard. May swap out for BP/CCW for free. Max size 10 Initiates and 10 Neophytes
- Black Templars have Chapter Tactics options instead of Vows. The Emperor's Champion is an HQ choice for them only and chooses from either (reroll failed to-hits plus rending in challenges), or (gain Adamantium Will plus Crusader). No Librarians allowed.
-Emperor's Champion equipped with AP:2 sword, armor is 2+/4+i
-High-Marshal Helbrecht grants Hatred and Fleet to Black Templars in the Assault phase once per game.
-Grimaldus Grants Zealot to his unit.

8/14/2013 10:13:59 am

Oh fun. I'll be reading the codex before I buy it.

It still is sounding too much like Smurfs with a funny Troop option and different color scheme. Seriously, all Initiates should be bolter/BP/CCW. Unless those Chapter tactics rules are seriously the shizzle I probably will just be waiting to see if the supplement retrieves 40K from something to do with buddies with beer and pretzels.

I've already built Black Tide squads and run them on foot, with 3++ Techmarines out front with Neophytes in his shadow for LOS! They get across the board, but don't have enough left to be a game breaker. They do make a nice bubblewrap unit though if you get one...well they did since it looks like Templars are no longer Fearless in CC.

8/17/2013 09:24:54 am

It should be noted that the source of this information (40k Radio) is getting it 2nd hand from a guy who was in the play testing of the codex. It has been confirmed that this "source" does NOT have scans and/or hard copies of the info and is going off his notes. In addition, playtest rules tend to change dramatically in their final form. You also have to keep in mind that we're not even getting this information 2nd hand...we're getting it through people who know a guy who say them in playtesting. Chances of misinterpretation, misrepresentation, and/or misinformation? High. ;)

However, with all that being said, assuming it is all right...I have distinctly heard that the Chapter Tactics are worded as such that we have BOTH, not one or the other. But again, we have no scans to say one way or the other...so its all speculation.

Magoon

8/13/2013 10:39:14 am

Well, been mulling this over for a few days but it occurs to me that those wanting to get into cc w/o the RZ could use some spartan assault tanks to get two squads of 20 plus ic or two there by turn two. Expensive points and dollars wise but if'n that's your play style with the lads it always an option. Laeroth, comments?

8/17/2013 09:07:34 am

I won't lie, I don't provide analysis on FW units as I can't currently use them in the Grand Tournament circuit. However, a LRC isn't THAT much "smaller" and would do the same job. The only problem is, it may now not have Blessed Hull (we don't know yet) and then there is Lance/Gauss weaponry to worry about. Footslogging is pretty dangerous unless you have a lot of protection available to you. Or multiple threats.

But its important not to get too ahead of ourselves until the codex is out, as we simply don't know what is available yet beyond basics. We'll get there, don't worry. ;)

8/13/2013 04:25:35 pm

I want ya'll to know that I've read all of the comments, but I've had very limited computer access for the past week. I didn't want to give half-assed replies on my android, but I'll be good to go tomorrow and I'll throw down my opinions then. One of the reasons I've been hitting up Twitter pretty hard...easier to comment on that than long comments/blog posts here. Hehe. Anyway, yeah. See ya'll tomorrow! Keep the comments coming! :D

8/14/2013 06:33:49 pm

Ah...given what has been put about the Net...it will be all about attitude, because the rules aren't backing it. Maybe paint the hands Blue and call them the Azure Templar Fists?

Yeah, I'll read it first for myself, but after the constant FAQ nerf bat pounding...I'm not the most optimistic person. If after I read I see that we are being assimilated...

8/17/2013 08:59:54 am

I can certainly see where people are coming from, considering the near-consistent nerf bat we've received since 5th Edition was released (with one FAQ exception). However, nothing is 100% confirmed until a codex is released. Remember the "leaked" 6th Edition rules that EVERYONE said was the final copy? Yeah, nothing like it. There is still time...and while a bunch of it will probably be near accurate, the wording on a whole lot of things are extremely important. Not only that, there has been zero word on how we're even placed in the codex and how our fluff is arranged, outside of the fact that we're an example of "Non-codex adhering" chapters.

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